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Post by falkor » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:04 pm

Can we afford to return those going to Mars back to Earth? The cost of a return trip would be colossal

Lord Rees, astrophysicist and Astronomer Royal says in yesterday's ""Eureka" THE TIMES magazine, that "A Martian base would develop more quickly if those constructing it were content with a one-way ticket. Indeed if the first settlers were asked "Is it worth BILLIONS to bring you home?" not even the most self-regarding could answer "Yes"

So says Lord Rees on page 17 of yesterday's TIMES magazine, do you agree with him?

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Post by dave3974 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:05 pm

is this to much to ask , the sacrifice that will be asked of the first , will be incredible , life in a small box , basic rations , exposure to radiation and a generation or more to construct any sort of baerable habitat.

Hopefully our technology will advance to make a journey there possible , but what a thing to ask of anyone

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Post by falkor » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:05 pm

yes and this si the first time I have ever heard it even suggested that Mars astronauts "be content" with one way tickets

The article referred to is titled "Do we need to send people back into space?" and contains the views of both Lord Rees as previously described and Maggie Aderin-Pocock, space scientist and TV presenter

Maggie Aderin-Pocock says "Human space travel should be driven by commercial forces. I believe that there is a demand and commercialism will drive costs down."

She further states "With water on both the Moon and Mars, self sufficient colonies are a possibility. I envisage the Moon as a fuel stop for exploring the solar system"

The article appeared in Issue 21 and is the latest issue.

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Post by stephen » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:41 pm

This is an old idea and a very sensible one. The extra danger of taking off from Mars and attempting to come home makes the whole mission about 10 times more expensive and will probably result in reducing the astronauts survival chances.

When or if we ever have the technology to return people easily then I am all for it, but with present technology I am for a one way mission.

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Post by falkor » Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:04 pm

hi Stephen :wide:

thanks for your input, you make it sound like a "one way mission" is the most sensible approach and obvious approach :gog:

but of all the Mars documentaries I have seen, of all the Mars topics I have seen, of all the Mars articles I have read, the actual proposal that Mars settlers/ builders should arrive on a "one way ticket" I never ever heard stated before 2 June, when Lord Rees had it published in THE TIMES magazine

and yet you say it is an "old idea" - I was shocked to read of it and wondered whether NASA would ever take onboard this proposal, however "sensible" / "economic" / "obvious"

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Post by playthefool » Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:13 pm

I also think it is rather a new idea to sell one-way tickets to space, but the underlying idea of sacrifice for scientific purpose is quite old! New ideas have always encountered difficulties that have been overgone with victims... Think about the first pilots, or even the first attemps to fly. Think about the first submarines, the first adventurers into the rain forest.

Nevertheless, this one way ticket could even be worse than death... almost alone on an empty planet, not even the internet, so no social networks, no online games no more family and only astronauts for friends, everything to rebuild...

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Post by playthefool » Thu Jun 16, 2011 10:18 am

playthefool wrote:I also think it is rather a new idea to sell one-way tickets to space, but the underlying idea of sacrifice for scientific purpose is quite old! New ideas have always encountered difficulties that have been overgone with victims... Think about the first pilots, or even the first attemps to fly. Think about the first submarines, the first adventurers into the rain forest.

Nevertheless, this one way ticket could even be worse than death... almost alone on an empty planet, not even the internet, so no social networks, no online games no more family and only astronauts for friends, everything to rebuild...
And no forum :shock:

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Post by falkor » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:43 pm

Dutch company Mars-One says it's won enough sponsorship money to create a reality TV show which it hopes will in turn fund a manned trip to Mars.
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The company hopes to use robots to build a habitable outpost between 2016 and 2020, and to land the first humans three years later. The project will need only existing technologies, it says.

"Receipt of initial sponsorship marks the next step to humans setting foot on Mars," says Bas Lansdorp, founder and President of Mars-One.

"A little more than a year ago we embarked down this path, calling upon industry experts to share in our bold dream. Today, we have moved from a technical plan into the first stage of funding, giving our dream a foundation in reality."

Self-funded for the prior eighteen months, Mars-One says it's already completed the initial technical development. Late this year and early next, it will fill out its technical and management staff. The new sponsorship funds will be used mainly to finance conceptual design studies provided by aerospace suppliers.

What really sets the project apart from the rest is the way the company hopes to raise the necessary $6 billion it reckons it needs to put the first people on Mars.

It plans to start selecting a 40-strong potential crew next year, and televise the whole procedure. They'll need to be rather more committed than your average Big Brother participant: there are no plans to bring the settlers back.

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Post by wallarookiller » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:47 pm

falkor wrote:Dutch company Mars-One says it's won enough sponsorship money to create a reality TV show which it hopes will in turn fund a manned trip to Mars.
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The company hopes to use robots to build a habitable outpost between 2016 and 2020, and to land the first humans three years later. The project will need only existing technologies, it says.

"Receipt of initial sponsorship marks the next step to humans setting foot on Mars," says Bas Lansdorp, founder and President of Mars-One.

"A little more than a year ago we embarked down this path, calling upon industry experts to share in our bold dream. Today, we have moved from a technical plan into the first stage of funding, giving our dream a foundation in reality."

Self-funded for the prior eighteen months, Mars-One says it's already completed the initial technical development. Late this year and early next, it will fill out its technical and management staff. The new sponsorship funds will be used mainly to finance conceptual design studies provided by aerospace suppliers.

What really sets the project apart from the rest is the way the company hopes to raise the necessary $6 billion it reckons it needs to put the first people on Mars.

It plans to start selecting a 40-strong potential crew next year, and televise the whole procedure. They'll need to be rather more committed than your average Big Brother participant: there are no plans to bring the settlers back.

I was just looking for this and you beat me to it.

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Post by falkor » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:58 pm

well you could always place a comment on the article :green: What is your opinion on the latest news story? do you think it will start/ complete/ be viable? 8-)

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