The Gary McKinnon Story

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Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by DarkKnight » Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:45 pm

Obama has now power of his own country :lol:

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by mj12cz » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:50 am

Well its nice to know that the new goverment is at least trying to do something.

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by AMYROSE » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:11 pm

Camerons asked Obama if McKinnon can serve part of his sentence in British Jails, if he is sentenced - ho hum. Obama says he doesn't get involved with the law and will leave it up to the judical system in the good ol' US of A. A peculiar statement by a president me thinks.

Theresa May has temporarily halted his extradition whilst she studies the case, and our new government has pledged to review the arrangements of the one sided treaty B Liar signed and is set to appoint a judge or other judicial figure to study the treaty.

The government of the good ol' US of A are going to block any attempts to review the treaty, cos they think it's fair.

Sadly, Gary still hasn't made any attempt to make arrangement to visit me and share a nice pot of Earl Grey and some home made soya free biccies :o

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by DarkKnight » Sat Apr 03, 2010 11:38 am

I've not heard much about Gary for a wee while now, I hope is doing ok.

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by mj12cz » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:55 pm

DarkKnight wrote:
the absurdly unbalanced extradition treaty of 2003, of which Gary McKinnon is just the latest victim.


EXACTLY !!

Our Law is governed by Chumps !

Agreed the law is an ass...

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by DarkKnight » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:18 pm

the absurdly unbalanced extradition treaty of 2003, of which Gary McKinnon is just the latest victim.


EXACTLY !!

Our Law is governed by Chumps !

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by falkor » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:02 am

they ask, we give
All European countries have extradition arrangements with the US; just some are more favourable to it than others, writes Gill Hornby.

By Gill Hornby
Published: 7:15PM GMT 27 Nov 2009

One rational response, on reading the fine details of Gary McKinnon's computer hacking, is to take off one's hat. This is a man who could sit in his girlfriend's auntie's living room in Crouch End and make a cursor move on a terminal over in Nasa. For those of us currently struggling with Windows 7, it is simply mind-boggling.

With no technical training, McKinnon was nevertheless able, for seven years, to ferret around in the networks of the most secret departments of the US government. Why is their system that vulnerable? They should have just offered him a job.

Instead, this week Alan Johnson looked at the medical evidence – McKinnon has Asperger's and depression – and decided, finally, that he must be extradited. The arduous campaign on his behalf has reached the end of its road. He now faces trial in the States, and up to 60 years in an American prison.

Over in Switzerland, meanwhile, the film director Roman Polanski is expected to be released from prison and into house arrest as early as next week. He too is facing extradition to the US – for underage sex – and has been for 30-odd years. But in that time, his homeland of France has offered him staunch protection. When he was arrested in Zurich in September, the French government protested volubly. And since then, we are told, President Sarkozy himself has been working on Polanski's behalf: according to a relative, he has been "super".

So what is the difference? All European countries have extradition arrangements with the US; just some are more favourable to it than others. The French, sensibly, will extradite a known criminal, but refuse to surrender their own citizens. We, however, enjoy that "Special Relationship". And unfortunately for Gary McKinnon now, and the NatWest Three in 2006, that relationship means that we have agreed to hand over anyone at all – the Americans just need a warrant. Of course, they wouldn't do the same for us. But then, they're not daft.

The Chilcot Inquiry into the lead-up to the Iraq War is unlikely to bring us any lasting result, but it is a useful refresher course in quite how things went wrong. We heard Sir Christopher Meyer's testimony, describing Blair's evenings with his buddy Bush down at the ranch, and how President got the upper hand over PM. We saw again the body language of the two – one swaggering, confident; the other gurning, a bit desperate, over-keen. That is the relationship – not "special" for us, particularly, more needy and weedy – that led us into the Iraq War, and into the absurdly unbalanced extradition treaty of 2003, of which Gary McKinnon is just the latest victim.

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by DarkKnight » Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:25 pm

7thsister wrote:Apology- haven't read all the subsequent posts from this thread.

I didn't like the Judy show - so patronising ... I think that guy would be so more interesting if interviewed differently.
I don't know much about politics but I don't think what this guy has done deserves any type of punishment - afterall he got into confidential files - leaving messages to administrators etc.. showing his presence. And then they are shocked about acts of terrorism :bum:
It's a loss that you can't access what he saw though.

The Americans are embarrassed and desperately want to make an example of him, its unfair and disgusting that they should use Gary McKinnon in such a way, they are being intimidating, bullying and extremely relentless just to make a point and Gary is the fall guy.


When he was initially arrested by a UK force where he confessed all, they were looking at a computer ban and 6 months community service, the next thing you know the American's are looking to hang him from the tower and our cowardly government won't do anything to intervene. :roll:

He committed his crime here, he was caught here and he confessed here so he should be tried here.

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by 7thsister » Sat Oct 10, 2009 4:28 pm

Apology- haven't read all the subsequent posts from this thread.

I didn't like the Judy show - so patronising ... I think that guy would be so more interesting if interviewed differently.
I don't know much about politics but I don't think what this guy has done deserves any type of punishment - afterall he got into confidential files - leaving messages to administrators etc.. showing his presence. And then they are shocked about acts of terrorism :bum:
It's a loss that you can't access what he saw though.

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by DarkKnight » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:45 pm

McKinnon refused Supreme Court appeal



Computer hacker Gary McKinnon will not be allowed to take his appeal against extradition to the UK Supreme Court it was announced today.

The High Court has ruled that Mr McKinnon will not be allowed to appeal against his extradition to the US on charges of hacking into Pentagon and NASA computers because his case is not of "general public importance".

Mr McKinnon, a UFO enthusiast who suffers from Aspergers Syndrome, is due to be extradited to the US for trial – the appeal was thought to be one of the last chances for his lawyers to delay the process.

Mr McKinnon lost a High Court battle to avoid being extradited back in July. He was challenging refusals by the home secretary and director of public prosecutions to try him in the UK.

If convicted in the US he could face up to 60 years in jail.

His lawyers have said they now plan to take his case to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.

Mr McKinnon's supporters, who include the Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties and the Daily Mail newspaper, argue that he is "vulnerable".

Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Chris Huhne said: "If the courts cannot prevent Gary McKinnon's extradition then Alan Johnson must.

"A succession of ministers have let this sorry saga drag on for seven long years.

"The Government's one-sided extradition treaty with the US and its refusal to stand up to the Americans looks like it will result in a vulnerable man being hung out to dry."

Mr McKinnon's lawyers have warned he presents a suicide risk if extradited because of the state of his mental health.

His mother Janis Sharp accused the UK of offering its citizens as "sacrificial lambs" to the US. "To use my desperately vulnerable son in this way is despicable, immoral and devoid of humanity," Ms Sharp said.

Mr McKinnon admitted hacking into 97 US computers from his North London home in 2001 and 2002. He maintains he was looking for evidence of extra-terrestrials.

The US government claims the incident was the "biggest military hack of all time" and cost $800,000 (£487,000) to remedy.



http://uk.news.yahoo.com/14/20091009/tp ... c5b50.html

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by mj12cz » Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:30 pm

DarkKnight wrote:
psychbunny wrote:I'll confess straight away that I don't know all the ins and outs of this case. I appreciate that he says he was trying to find the truth by hacking into these systems - but he still committed a crime by doing so.
He did commit a crime and he can be punished here for it, the only problem I have is the US want to punish him over there with their ridiculous over the top sentencing.

Agreed, which is whay he should do his time here.

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by DarkKnight » Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:28 pm

psychbunny wrote:I'll confess straight away that I don't know all the ins and outs of this case. I appreciate that he says he was trying to find the truth by hacking into these systems - but he still committed a crime by doing so.
He did commit a crime and he can be punished here for it, the only problem I have is the US want to punish him over there with their ridiculous over the top sentencing.

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by AMYROSE » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:42 pm

Merlyn you are not keeping to the topic. Repeat after me -

My finger has no relationship to the other parts of my hand.. My finger has no relationship to the other parts of my hand. My finger has no relationship to the other parts of my hand

Good, keep at it and you'll know how better to reply to postings on this forum in future.

Personally, I rarely find anything that can be easily responded to with psychbunnies comments, as (in this case too) there can sometimes be an absence of information and thoughtfulness. Sorry, psychbunny, I really am not intending to be rude or insulting in any way, although I realise it may seem so, just would be good to get a little more meat from your responses - same goes for some other members comments – it's good to cogitate, contemplate and where possible conjugate or not with others understandings and view points, especially with the topical matters pertaining to a forum like this

One thing I would like to add to this topic, which I feel is relevant, (though if you disagree with it's relevance do please place me on a cross and bang some nails into those things that dangle on the end of my limbs, but which, of course, have no connection to them there limbs) is that computers connected to the internet in this country have been given the thumbs-up by our government to be legally hacked into (though it is not officially referred to as such – but is) and the information thus obtained can be legally sold on to any company that wishes to buy it. This is an invasion of my privacy! And I sort of agree with you Merlyn, that those who wish for privacy are often hiding something but still I am much more adamant that I do not want companies knowing what I buy on the 'net or am interested in – resulting in cold calls, junk mail, government data bases, etc. But it is still legal for this to happen to me and you.

So, what is especially different with what McKinnon has done compared to what those with internet connections are having perpetrated upon them, legally, by our government – well, not those with Mac's, I'm told?

Also, let's put this into perspective. The extradition treaty (that is being used in his case) was introduced and signed by our government (the yanks hadn't signed it as recently as 2006) much more than a year after his crime was committed.

Falkor makes a good point when he suggests that this was probably not Gary's first hacking attempt but I can't help but disagree as to him (McKinnon) being the type to introduce virus's, 'cause you just can experience by listening and watching him and using your mind that he isn't of that type of persuasion or character.

Back to the extradition treaty, we are the only country in the world to have signed a treaty that allows another country to take their citizens without producing any evidence to show that they have committed a crime. Most of you here seem to be in agreement with this – why exactly?

Gary is not going to be prosecuted for 'hacking' in the good ol' US of A – the protectors of the world :lol: :lol: :lol: , he is being prosecuted for almost 500k's worth of 'malicious' damage to their systems, which he has unequivocally stated he has not done.

As he was under surveillance for 3 months or so before his arrest and all computers he may have had access to were taken away and undoubtedly gone over with a fine tooth comb it is easy to conclude that what he is saying is true.

The protectors of the world only issued these huge damage claims long after his arrest and only after he asked them to state in writing the sentence they claimed he would serve if he would be a good boy and go over and stand trial in the good ol' US of A, - a sentence of 6 months.

All I can conclude with what I have discovered about his case is that I trust Gary far more than any politician and hope one day he will be involved in the running of our country – we'd have 'free energy' and open information – wow, now that would be wonderful and a first! Of course, he's a hero. The link below is the first I saw detailing his plight and is more informative than those posted by dk.

Regards all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fNsah-0vpY

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by psychbunny » Tue Aug 11, 2009 3:40 pm

I'll confess straight away that I don't know all the ins and outs of this case. I appreciate that he says he was trying to find the truth by hacking into these systems - but he still committed a crime by doing so.

Re: The Gary McKinnon Story

by merlyn » Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:36 pm

ps to continue also arent we all being encouraged to snoop on our neighbours by huge billboards uglifying our towns bellowing at us to inform on social security fraudsters and people who put the wrong rubbish in their rubbish bin?
privacy is a myth and i believe soon when we are all microchipped the microsoft government backed financed etc company will be able to freely hack our minds as easily and readily as they do our computers at the present time.

oh by the way isnt cold calling us on our private telephones actually a form of hacking?? three times today i have had to stop my work to answer calls asking me if i want a floridaa home a loan or similar investment. no one asked my permission.

adverising is an invasion of my privacy too
why must i suffer tv and public billboard advertising in my own home or whilst travelling about my business. of course none of us are private we are just consumer opportunities for big business and private enterprise.
i feel strongly that my privacy was taken from me when a national insurance number was asigned to me at birth. why register my birth why enslave me into a national army before i can even feed myself let alone ask for a choice in the matter.??

let me ask you all what nationality you are and you all reply immediately. Did any of us choose our nationality? of course not! i choose none of that bunkum i am not a citizen of any country i have chosen so there for i am an ALIEN (hoho) on my own planet..

hey wonderful fellowmagic beings please answer me on this site as i am feeling lonely. bliss us all

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